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I'm sorry, OTEC is a player made agreement, which is a feature and a product of the EVE Online sandbox, making OTEC a feature and not a bug that needs fixing. Now go buy some shiny new T2 item and remember, when you buy T2, you're buying products that are made possible by OTEC... have a nice day, citizen.

You should really curb the shitposting, it's unbecoming.

lol no

I'm mining a tech moon right now. Does that make you mad?

OTEC is merely following the real world examples of production cartels like OPEC & the Medell+¡n Cartel, it's price fixing by means of distribution control and is common national and business practice, it is the way that most big businesses/ countries with rich natural resources stay on top of the pile.

The solution also follows real world examples, you can pay exorbitant prices for a controlled flow of resources, or you can engage in diplomacy, wangle deals to get access to cartel goods, if all else fails invade to get what you want. Recent history shows that military might is all to often involved in the scramble for resources in the real world, why should Eve be any different? It just so happens that OTEC probably have more military might than anybody else.

I personally own 2 tech moons, all protected under the OTEC agreement, so even if im not online thousands of people will come and defend my personal ISK fountain. I bet that makes you cry into your pillow at night.

Incursions should be totally removed from hisec, you should feel glad we let you keep them at all.

The same was said of the NC. Where are they now? Oh right, they're gone because some people weren't whiny bitches and actually did something about them.

By realizing that "unlimited isk" isn't an "I win" button. The NC had "unlimited isk" for a long, long time, and they're gone.

Hey, so, why are you so hell-bent on taking space in the north, anyways?

Did it for 4 years in venal when the NC, BoB ASCN ect were at the hight of their power. We were the Afghanistan of EVE, a place where the superpowers of their day sent their fleets to die.

Oh, I see, we hold sov purely because of ... timezones.

Nerf timezones.

Pretty sure the old Incursion system was a great example of this, careful throwing that word "hypocrite" around, might just rebound and land on you m8.

In the real world an oil rig is not protected by a sizeable forcefield and multiple weapons platforms, therefore your point is moot.

As for your "clicking heels together" comment, most modern military forces can be on the scene of a conflict within 24 hours, compared to 50 years ago that is indeed pretty much instantaneous deployment. Seeing as Eve is set 20 odd thousand years in the future it is not inconceivable that the ability to project force in a lesser time period would be possible, regardless of distance.

Nowhere did I mention the middle east and specifically Iraq. Membership of OPEC is not restricted to countries in the middle east, here's a list of members for you.

Member Countries of OPEC
Algeria, Angola, Ecuador, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Venezuela

If anything the Arabic countries are not all powerful in OPEC, there's a fair few African countries in the list and some Central American ones to. The 30% of oil production that the middle east holds is a damn big chunk of current production, the fact that it's relatively easy to get to compared to say the Shale fields in North America makes it in effect an even bigger chunk simply because of ease of access.

I was merely comparing OTEC to real world Cartels, I was not stating that the reality of real world conflict = the reality of eve conflict.

The Mittani lobbied heavily during CSM6 for the Technetium situation to be rebalanced. Unfortunately, due to his non-participation in CSM7 he has not been able to keep up this pressure and get the issue fixed, with the end result that OTEC has emerged to exploit the system for all its worth.

Be careful what you wish for in future.

Welcome to eve you ******* ***** **** like this is what makes this game epic. Players controlling the game is why I play this. Go hang yourself OP.

You can take a tech moon. How do you prevent a group from running incursions in hisec?

In a year or two you might be in a position to do something about it.

NULL SEC IS THE NEW HIGH SEC!!! NOBODY FIGHTS DOWN THERE AT ALL, MOONS ARE ALL OWNED BY BIG ALLIANCES AND THEY AGREE TO NOT ENGAGE EACH OTHER IN COMBAT EXCEPT FOR VERBAL SPARS!

REMOVE MOONS FROM NULL, PLACE THEM IN HIGH! EVERYBODY WINS!

First off, it's mining. You don't need the E there(among other spelling mistakes). Secondly, if you look through the forums starting in 2003 you will find a ******** amount of posts about how EVE won't last another two years. Finally, the OTEC agreement does not remove risk. That would be like saying if you form an alliance you are removing risk from the game.

Are you part of this OTEC agreement? No. Therefore(note the spelling)you are a potential risk to their moon mining. Of course in reality you are not because you won't do anything about it other than whine on the forums but hopefully you can understand the point?

Another thing, just because there's an otec agreement today doesn't mean it'll be there tomorrow. People never ever ever ever ever backstab other players/corps/alliances in eve. It NEVER happens. Seriously, not even once.

Can you and your group of 2 friends do something about the tech moons? So get more friends. The way you whine about it without offering any reasonable solution is what's annoying.

I'm not against some rational changes to the way moon minerals are harvested. Neither is CCP if you believe soundwave at fanfest.

Seeing that you will probably never understand, I leave you with this. Shut up woman get on my horse

I'm just going to point out that we already collapsed in a flurry of trolling and recriminations, losing all our territory because our CEO got pissy. We all had to move to lowsec to lick our wounds. Now we are invincible again.

A big alliance trying to destroy us won't succeed, because we won't go away due to our ships being blown up. An internal division won't destroy us, because we won't go away due to a major setback. We won't go away as long as we're having fun.

To destroy GoonSwarm, you must destroy Eve. Our will to power will conquer anything else.